NS Cliches: Rebooted

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:26 pm

Russian-American Continental Alliance wrote:Christ, whenever I see things like these I just want to down a bottle of any liquid, because Jesus Christ, these people always try to make their leader look 'good' and 'hottest man', it gets on my nerves and doesn't get off it.

or you could be like me and make a character, then not realize that the ref pic you chose for said character was in other people's words "thicc as a jar of chunky peanut butter" until like two months later because you were too busy being intimidated by said character

i regret remembering it already

Posadist-Communalists wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:maggie thatcher waifu

oh dear god...

don't worry about it.

by **Qhevak** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:29 pm

Russian-American Continental Alliance wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:that too. highway of death was only done with a few flights iirc.

A true testament to how bombing has gone a long way, yet there are people who think 'more bombs = good' and 'WW2 tactics are better than modern tactics', sure I like the former too, but this nation's (and my other nation's) shtick(s) is mainly wackiness and pure chaos and not wanking off my superior omg epic based army.

I remember seeing a good quote before along the lines of MT II being what happens when you mix 1914 politics, 1944 strategy/tactics and 2024 technology.

by **Azur Deutschland** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:30 pm

Something that doesn't really bother me, but just something I've noticed, is that some PMT nations are just thinly veiled FT nations.
PMT just seems like a super niche tech level to actually get right.

by **Upper Stuffari** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:31 pm

Russian-American Continental Alliance wrote:Christ, whenever I see things like these I just want to down a bottle of any liquid, because Jesus Christ, these people always try to make their leader look 'good' and 'hottest man', it gets on my nerves and doesn't get off it.

What's a good character then? Being stereotypically evil or being a poor puppet on someone's strings doesn't really win you any favors either from what I have seen in leader threads.

by **South Reinkalistan** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:32 pm

Azur Deutschland wrote:Something that doesn't really bother me, but just something I've noticed, is that some PMT nations are just thinly veiled FT nations.
PMT just seems like a super niche tech level to actually get right.

Yegla Islands...

But yes, """PMT""" is a well-recognised category. Tbf, I know a lot of people (a la Polish Prussian Commonwealth) who get it spot on.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:32 pm

Upper Stuffari wrote:
Russian-American Continental Alliance wrote:Christ, whenever I see things like these I just want to down a bottle of any liquid, because Jesus Christ, these people always try to make their leader look 'good' and 'hottest man', it gets on my nerves and doesn't get off it.

What's a good character then? Being stereotypically evil or being a poor puppet on someone's strings doesn't really win you any favors either from what I have seen in leader threads.

it's not that these are bad characters.
it's that they aren't characters. if other ns leaders are actors these are just pornstars.
write your character with both hands on the keyboard and you should be fine.

by **East Wolven** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:32 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Russian-American Continental Alliance wrote:Christ, whenever I see things like these I just want to down a bottle of any liquid, because Jesus Christ, these people always try to make their leader look 'good' and 'hottest man', it gets on my nerves and doesn't get off it.

or you could be like me and make a character, then not realize that the ref pic you chose for said character was in other people's words "thicc as a jar of chunky peanut butter" until like two months later because you were too busy being intimidated by said character

i regret remembering it already

...I regret reading that. Jesus.

by **Aureumterra III** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:33 pm

Azur Deutschland wrote:Something that doesn't really bother me, but just something I've noticed, is that some PMT nations are just thinly veiled FT nations.
PMT just seems like a super niche tech level to actually get right.

PMT is generally things like railguns, primitive satellite - ground weapons, and possibly moon bases or that sort depending on the year

by **Dayganistan** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:33 pm

Wexas wrote:~~I was being sarcastic, seeing how the majority of characters are all either monarchial/otherwise 'fedual'-ish~~

Not that he's wrong tho. There are quite a few monarchies where the leader is either a SocDem superhero who - despite being a 'constitutional figurehead' monarch -holds significant sway over the government and does all the good things like stop global warming or legalize gay. Or a SocDem superhero who does all those things while carrying around their massive god-given - uh - inheritance. And usually, the latter is a woman (though as Kuranes has pointed out, there are exceptions).

These kind of nations don't seem particularly realistic at all. I feel like a monarch who still holds major political powers would have more socially conservative views. These nations would work better if they used a Bernie Sanders/AOC/Justin Trudeau knockoff in a democratic system. But they're insanely popular that they never get voted out. Is this a trope as well, insanely popular socdem leader who never gets voted out even though the elections are completely free and fair?

by **Federal Remnants** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:33 pm

Upper Stuffari wrote:
Russian-American Continental Alliance wrote:Christ, whenever I see things like these I just want to down a bottle of any liquid, because Jesus Christ, these people always try to make their leader look 'good' and 'hottest man', it gets on my nerves and doesn't get off it.

What's a good character then? Being stereotypically evil or being a poor puppet on someone's strings doesn't really win you any favors either from what I have seen in leader threads.

how about wholesome 100 chungus nothing bad ever happens here and i will project my moral superiority onto you type of leader, the archetypical socdem/libsoc/whatever ideology hero that triumphantly looms in to call the dictator above them TERRIBLE and the WORST THING EVER? no? also horrible? i understand.

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:33 pm

East Wolven wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:or you could be like me and make a character, then not realize that the ref pic you chose for said character was in other people's words "thicc as a jar of chunky peanut butter" until like two months later because you were too busy being intimidated by said character

i regret remembering it already

...I regret reading that. Jesus.

i regret it almost as much as you do.
can't change the picture now, though, not unless i find a better one.
or learn to draw more than just shitty sketches.

by **Wexas** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:34 pm

Voxija wrote:*hides in the corner*

Oh god, please tell me I'm not cliché.

You have a constitution. That makes you a cliche. Get over here, boah.

Kiu Ghesik wrote:or you could be like me and make a character, then not realize that the ref pic you chose for said character was in other people's words "thicc as a jar of chunky peanut butter" until like two months later because you were too busy being intimidated by said character

i regret remembering it already

There is no escape from the horny, unfortunately. Even thinking about having a female character makes you a target.

by **Broader Confederate States** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:34 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Upper Stuffari wrote:What's a good character then? Being stereotypically evil or being a poor puppet on someone's strings doesn't really win you any favors either from what I have seen in leader threads.

it's not that these are bad characters.
it's that they aren't characters. if other ns leaders are actors these are just pornstars.
write your character with both hands on the keyboard and you should be fine.

mind giving me some advice on that? i'm terrible at characters, i especially was when i was 17. even just a few pointers would be nice.

by **Russian-American Continental Alliance** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:35 pm

Upper Stuffari wrote:
Russian-American Continental Alliance wrote:Christ, whenever I see things like these I just want to down a bottle of any liquid, because Jesus Christ, these people always try to make their leader look 'good' and 'hottest man', it gets on my nerves and doesn't get off it.

What's a good character then? Being stereotypically evil or being a poor puppet on someone's strings doesn't really win you any favors either from what I have seen in leader threads.

Well...in my opinion, a Good character is a character that actually feels compelling, one that's had lot of effort put into showing the nooks and crannies of the character, and one that feels...relatable or at least sympathetic, either that or a character that you can enjoy reading and writing about, and one who's fleshed out by a lot, and I do mean a lot, so yeah. My opinion is to be taken with a grain of salt though so don't apply this everywhere.

by **Federal Remnants** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:39 pm

oh yeah unrelated but speaking of leader appearances, is it a bad sign that my leader bears some resemblance to yanderedev? like if you aged him and gave him blond hair dye? asking for a friend, of course

12 March 2022

Brettenwald wrote:
South Reinkalistan wrote:This can totally work if it's done well. If the "elected" representative "democratic" institutions are quite clearly turned into rubber-stamp bodies as a display of kleptocratic corruption [cough cough], it's good as a plot device.

"Constitutional monarchy where the Prime Minister occupies a position similar to the Hand of the King from GoT and 50% of your democracy is an illusion" gang here.

Who needs a PM when you can just make the monarch chief executive...and that monarch is Alastair?

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:46 pm

Wexas wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:or you could be like me and make a character, then not realize that the ref pic you chose for said character was in other people's words "thicc as a jar of chunky peanut butter" until like two months later because you were too busy being intimidated by said character

i regret remembering it already

There is no escape from the horny, unfortunately. Even thinking about having a female character makes you a target.

please god help me

Broader Confederate States wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:it's not that these are bad characters.
it's that they aren't characters. if other ns leaders are actors these are just pornstars.
write your character with both hands on the keyboard and you should be fine.

mind giving me some advice on that? i'm terrible at characters, i especially was when i was 17. even just a few pointers would be nice.

well, personally what's being critiqued here is what i tend to refer as writers ignoring the principle of "don't ask, don't tell" in terms of a character's, uh, interpersonal relations, unless it matters to the story. this isn't to say you can't write it, it's just more that if you as the writer find yourself going "huh x character is gonna get a hot-ass wife because it gets me going" then you should probo sit back and take a breath. not that i think you do that, this is the general "you" rather than the specific. but i have a hard time defining this, really, so i refer you to justice stewart's comments on the matter.

in broader "making characters good" terms, i think you have it down, actually; the point is for me at least not to make a "good character" or an "evil character" but to make a character. i called it character-centered morality a while back, the idea is just to make someone whose morality is their own. like, they can be a horrid person, but as long as they think they're doing the right thing then it sort of makes sense, you know? like, take washington. i know that she's pretty defined by your own experiences but she's good as a character in the sense that she does what she does in a very human sense; she fucks up and she makes mistakes and at times she does things perfectly correctly. but it's all her doing it, you know? it makes sense as something that she might do, and that her decision-making process would reasonably think of. or take evexhas/narcissus from khoro. he's a batshit insane motherfucker who gets prophetic visions from munching down on brains, and his society is literally formed around that principle, but he's still consistent within that worldview because he's doing things to further his own goals and because they make sense to him, not because he's evil.

i really don't know how to describe it further than that, i've stumbled my way through character writing to get where i am and i really need to codify it better.

Russian-American Continental Alliance wrote:
Upper Stuffari wrote:What's a good character then? Being stereotypically evil or being a poor puppet on someone's strings doesn't really win you any favors either from what I have seen in leader threads.

Well...in my opinion, a Good character is a character that actually feels compelling, one that's had lot of effort put into showing the nooks and crannies of the character, and one that feels...relatable or at least sympathetic, either that or a character that you can enjoy reading and writing about, and one who's fleshed out by a lot, and I do mean a lot, so yeah. My opinion is to be taken with a grain of salt though so don't apply this everywhere.

this. if the character's decisions make sense to the character then that character is consistent. those actions might be batshit insane to us but it's not about us, it's about the characters and their perception of the world around them.

Federal Remnants wrote:oh yeah unrelated but speaking of leader appearances, is it a bad sign that my leader bears some resemblance to yanderedev? like if you aged him and gave him blond hair dye? asking for a friend, of course

no, it's a good thing. yandev deserves everything he gets. god, i hate that i even know he exists.

by **Khoronzon** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:48 pm

Federal Remnants wrote:oh yeah unrelated but speaking of leader appearances, is it a bad sign that my leader bears some resemblance to yanderedev? like if you aged him and gave him blond hair dye? asking for a friend, of course

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:50 pm

Khoronzon wrote:
Federal Remnants wrote:oh yeah unrelated but speaking of leader appearances, is it a bad sign that my leader bears some resemblance to yanderedev? like if you aged him and gave him blond hair dye? asking for a friend, of course

abraham miller's initiation into chalice, circa 2198

fuck

the face matches almost perfectly

12 March 2022

When you try to make an effortpost in F7 and get a one-liner response

.

Also, sometimes F7 posts that are several paragraphs long can be overwhelming, but that's just me.

by **Upper Stuffari** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:53 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:or you could be like me and make a character, then not realize that the ref pic you chose for said character was in other people's words "thicc as a jar of chunky peanut butter" until like two months later because you were too busy being intimidated by said character

When I look at your leader's profile pic, the first thing that comes to my mind isn't thicc. Chirst, how depraved are people in these forums.

by **South Reinkalistan** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:54 pm

Upper Stuffari wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:or you could be like me and make a character, then not realize that the ref pic you chose for said character was in other people's words "thicc as a jar of chunky peanut butter" until like two months later because you were too busy being intimidated by said character

When I look at your leader's profile pic, the first thing that comes to my mind isn't thicc. Chirst, how depraved are people in these forums.

wdym a web-game designed for what is essentially thinly-veiled nationalist larp attracts utter weirdos

imagine my shock

12 March 2022

Upper Stuffari wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:or you could be like me and make a character, then not realize that the ref pic you chose for said character was in other people's words "thicc as a jar of chunky peanut butter" until like two months later because you were too busy being intimidated by said character

When I look at your leader's profile pic, the first thing that comes to my mind isn't thicc. Chirst, how depraved are people in these forums.

Believe me when I say that you don't want to know. It's very cursed. ~~Alastair still do be a little thicc, though.~~

by **Kiu Ghesik** » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:55 pm

Upper Stuffari wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:or you could be like me and make a character, then not realize that the ref pic you chose for said character was in other people's words "thicc as a jar of chunky peanut butter" until like two months later because you were too busy being intimidated by said character

When I look at your leader's profile pic, the first thing that comes to my mind isn't thicc. Chirst, how depraved are people in these forums.

tbf it was made as a shitpost and we didn't realize until later that said shitpost wasn't entirely wrong because none of us wanted to acknowledge it at the time

~~i still have the flashbacks~~

i should also point out that it was a friend who said it to me and in a joking manner, so it's not like the person who said it was horny at the time. but unfortunately nor were they wrong.

12 March 2022

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Upper Stuffari wrote:When I look at your leader's profile pic, the first thing that comes to my mind isn't thicc. Chirst, how depraved are people in these forums.

tbf it was made as a shitpost and we didn't realize until later that said shitpost wasn't entirely wrong because none of us wanted to acknowledge it at the time

~~i still have the flashbacks~~

~~I still need to write the coda.~~

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